Life in the Shadows: From Despair to Hope

Life in the Shadows: From Despair to Hope

From Shadows to Light: Donna Hoover's Tale of Redemption

In Season seven of Open Forum in The Villages, Florida, host Mike Roth interviews Donna Hoover about her gripping new book 'Wandering In the Shadows.' This episode delves into Donna's seven-and-a-half-year journey to tell the extraordinary true story of her sister Jennifer — a free-spirited young woman who endured addiction, abuse, trauma, and a life-threatening brain aneurysm, yet found her way back to faith, hope, and survival. The discussion covers the emotional and psychological lessons Donna learned, the challenges of balancing raw honesty with hope, and the importance of understanding and compassion. Additionally, listeners get insight into Donna's writing process, promotional strategies, and future aspirations, including a possible adaptation of the book into a movie or mini-series.

00:00 Introduction to Open Forum in The Villages
00:34 Meet Donna Hoover: Author and Creative Spirit
00:40 The Journey of Writing 'Wandering In the Shadows'
01:05 Jennifer's Struggles and Triumphs
03:14 Lessons Learned from Jennifer's Story
03:59 Balancing Honesty and Hope in Writing
05:14 The Impact of Addiction and Trauma
06:54 Jennifer's Resilience and Recovery
12:21 Reflections on Writing and Family Reactions
22:16 Promoting 'Wandering In the Shadows'
25:51 Closing Remarks and Listener Engagement

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[00:00:00] Dolores: Welcome to Season seven of Open Forum in The Villages of Florida. In this show, we talk to leaders of clubs and interesting folks who live in and around The Villages. We also talk to people who have information vital to seniors. You will get perspectives of what is happening in The Villages, Florida area.

We are a listener supported podcast. There will be shout outs for supporters. 

[00:00:31] Mike Roth AI4: This is Mike Roth on Open Forum in The Villages, Florida. I'm here today with Donna Hoover. Thanks for joining me again, Donna. 

[00:00:37] Donna Hoover: Mike, thank you for having me. I'm honored to be here 

[00:00:40] Mike Roth AI4: today. Donna, I'm interviewing you as a writer 'cause you've written a book, SHA Wandering in the Shadows and your background.

For our listeners, people should know that you're a a singer, longtime magazine contributor and you are a TV reporter. Yes. Now this is a book that took. Seven and a half years, yes, to write wandering in the shadows. It's an extraordinary story of a true story of your sister Jennifer, who was a free-spirited young woman whose life spiraled into addiction, abuse, trauma, and ultimately an astonishing journey back to faith, hope and survival, including living through a brain aneurysm.

That's a life changing event all by itself. 

[00:01:28] Donna Hoover: Absolutely. 

[00:01:29] Mike Roth AI4: Many people wouldn't live through something like that. Donna's mission in this book is to show that no one is going too far for God to reach, and every life holds the possibility of redemption. Donna, what finally led you to telling your sister's story in writing this book Wandering.

In the shadows. 

[00:01:52] Donna Hoover: I had always wanted to write a book. It was one of the things on my list of things to do before I die, and I just didn't have any idea what I should write about. And then one day I was talking to Jennifer and she said, I want my story told and I would like to use it to help other people.

And I thought, I think this would be a great thing to do. And. I knew that this could maybe carry something bigger than the two of us in reaching other people that were going through the type of things she went through. And also we found that it would be a great resource for those who also love somebody that might be going through these things as well.

And I, I felt, as I was writing it, part of it for me was my memories. Part of it was. I was learning new things. I had no idea that she had gone through, and so it was really a big thing to learn everything that had happened to her that I had not been aware of. 

[00:02:52] Mike Roth AI4: Yeah. You were how many years? Distant from your sister?

[00:02:56] Donna Hoover: I am nine years older, so I was already out of the house for a lot of this and then she left as well. 

[00:03:03] Mike Roth AI4: And you were never in the same school or never in the same collect, yeah. '

[00:03:06] Donna Hoover: cause there is quite a distance there. And her story changed me too in some ways. It helped. How did it change you?

It helped me to develop compassion and not be. Judgmental in the way that I admit I had been because I did not understand addiction. I didn't understand why someone would have an eating disorder or stay in a domestic abuse relationship. I have just always had the idea, well, just don't do it. Stop it.

Quit. Like, why don't you just not do it? Oh, sharp. 

[00:03:37] Mike Roth AI4: Left turn. Yeah. 

[00:03:38] Donna Hoover: Yeah. And suddenly, as I listened to her story and understood something, compels somebody. Then it takes on a life of its own and it takes you a lot farther than you wanna go. And then by the time you realize you wanna get out of it, you're so far deep you don't know how to get out of it.

So I learned a lot in that way. 

[00:03:58] Mike Roth AI4: And how did you balance in your writing? The real honesty with the hope and writing about addiction? Trauma and then faith. 

[00:04:07] Donna Hoover: It was difficult. Right off the bat, we realized that it had to be told, this story had to be told with transparency. My sister went into this very bravely and she did not hold anything back.

She seriously took me into the trenches with her and did not sugarcoat anything. And so that is reflected obviously in the story, but the good part was. There was always hope in this message. Even when times were really bad, even when there was despair, there was always like a thread of hope that she was clinging to and she just, at a certain point, she wanted to get out of it.

She just did not know how to get out. And yeah, so ultimately the book, just so you know, it's written for people of faith, but it's also written for people who are not faith-based. It does not lean heavily on spirituality, although that is definitely in there because it's part of our story, but it, there's a great deal of compassion for anyone, whether you have faith or don't, it doesn't really matter.

[00:05:12] Mike Roth AI4: Now, addiction and abuse are a heavy topic by itself. But then you say your sister had a brain aneurysm. Was there anything physical that brought that on, or is that mental, or is that just luck of the draw? 

[00:05:25] Donna Hoover: We, she attributes it to her smoking. She was actually smoking a cigarette. Mm-hmm. When she had the brain aneurysm and that had been like the last thing that she was holding onto from her life of addiction.

She had kicked everything else when she was doing great and then. She had a burst brain aneurysm and it was 

[00:05:49] Mike Roth AI4: a blood, a blood vessel that. Bursts in the brain. 

[00:05:51] Donna Hoover: Yeah. And I believe the statistic is that 50% of people die before they even get to the hospital. And there were some things that happened that kind of were hedged the bet against her because they didn't diagnose it quickly.

So that couldn't be incredibly problematic. So 

[00:06:12] Mike Roth AI4: would that have been described as a brain bleed? 

[00:06:16] Donna Hoover: Absolutely. Absolutely. I, in fact, when I first saw her, I went to, flew to Oklahoma and I walked into the hospital room and she actually had a tube coming outta the center of her head where, and traffic, but they had drilled a hole in her head and there was a tube coming out and I could sit there and watch.

The blood coming out into a bag and I was like, oh my goodness. Yeah, it was pretty extreme. 

[00:06:43] Mike Roth AI4: How long was she in the hospital? 

[00:06:45] Donna Hoover: It was about a month. Right around a month. Wow. Yeah. 

[00:06:49] Mike Roth AI4: That could be debilitating in and of itself. Okay. Now, what do you think gave her the resilience to survive and turn her life around?

[00:06:59] Donna Hoover: I think there was always something in her where she was holding on to faith, where she was holding on to God even when she wasn't necessarily reaching out to him. I think she always believed and she knew like she, when she was young. She was a very bright, shining creature as it were. She was a whimsical, creative, fun, free spirited girl, and she maintained that even through the addictions and all that.

But there was always this, I think, a hope that just lived within her. And then she dug down deep and her own strength and then leaning on God. 

[00:07:37] Mike Roth AI4: So is there one scene or chapter that still lingers with you? 

[00:07:42] Donna Hoover: Yeah, without giving too much away, there is a moment early in the book when Jennifer is very young and she doesn't understand the danger she's walking into, and I was a little bit shocked by what happened to her.

I think this incident lingers with me because it shows how innocence can be stolen long before a person even realizes what's happening. 

[00:08:07] Mike Roth AI4: How old was Jennifer when this happened? 

[00:08:09] Donna Hoover: She was, I believe she was about 11. 

[00:08:13] Mike Roth AI4: That's pretty young. 

[00:08:14] Donna Hoover: Yeah. Yeah. So there were, and then there were many things over time, but yeah.

[00:08:20] Mike Roth AI4: Was for the type, from the type of people she was hanging out with? 

[00:08:23] Donna Hoover: Not at that time. Not, no. That was maybe what kicked off some things perhaps. But you could read the book and find out. I 

[00:08:31] Mike Roth AI4: don't wanna reveal everything in this way. I know, that's 

[00:08:33] Donna Hoover: what I'm saying. 

[00:08:34] Mike Roth AI4: Can you tell us why that one scene when she was 11 lingers in your mind?

[00:08:40] Donna Hoover: I think it's just that you don't ever know what is underneath it all. A little bit like what I was saying a minute ago about why don't people just stop doing what they're doing? Stop drinking, stop taking drugs because there's something underneath it all. We can't see and they don't even maybe recognize or know.

And I think that was the biggest lesson that I took away myself in writing this book and learning everything that I learned. 

[00:09:09] Mike Roth AI4: Was it a psychological lesson? 

[00:09:11] Donna Hoover: Absolutely. And and emotional as well? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And it did, it changed my opinion of people that are struggling 

[00:09:18] Mike Roth AI4: or some something in her inner trial that that caused it to be susceptible to the addiction and abuse.

[00:09:24] Donna Hoover: For my sister. 

[00:09:25] Mike Roth AI4: Yes. 

[00:09:25] Donna Hoover: I would say, honestly, I would point back to our father's suicide as probably a really big impetus for a lot of things, because when you've left a hole like that in a child's life, it needs to be filled. And I think she spent decades searching for that substitute. Oh, old was she when that 

[00:09:44] Mike Roth AI4: happened?

[00:09:44] Donna Hoover: She was four. 

[00:09:47] Mike Roth AI4: Four, 

[00:09:47] Donna Hoover: yeah. Wow. Yeah. 

[00:09:49] Mike Roth AI4: That's an impressionable age. 

[00:09:51] Donna Hoover: Yeah. So, 

[00:09:53] Mike Roth AI4: because she'll carry, she carried some subconscious memories from that point, 

[00:09:56] Donna Hoover: and yeah, so she never had really a solid father figure to walk her through life through growing up. 

[00:10:04] Mike Roth AI4: So you were about 13 then? Yes. Were there any other traumas earlier in her life?

[00:10:09] Donna Hoover: I would say that, and then the one I referenced that I didn't reveal, probably those two things. 

[00:10:15] Mike Roth AI4: Okay. Why do you think someone should read the book? 

[00:10:17] Donna Hoover: I would say that. In reading the book one, you will probably, as I did, gain an understanding about a lot of things about addiction , alcoholism, eating disorders, domestic abuse, and you will learn to understand what a person is going through rather than just having a judgment call on someone.

And it 

[00:10:43] Mike Roth AI4: did, did your sister go through all of those things? 

[00:10:45] Donna Hoover: Oh, that. All of those things and more, actually. Yeah, those are just a few. She, there's a really long laundry list. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of things. 

[00:10:54] Mike Roth AI4: Yeah. It sounds, it sounded like more than one person. 

[00:10:56] Donna Hoover: I know. I know. And then to me, I think that is ultimately what I see as the, as the ultimate lesson for others is that if my sister could survive this long list of things.

The brain aneurysm. There were other things. There were miscarriages. There were abortions. There were, there were, there was one abortion. There were so many things that she dealt with over the years that if you are out there struggling, you probably haven't dealt with as many as she has. So I would say if she can overcome this long laundry list of things, I dare say if you have one or two of these things, you probably can too.

[00:11:39] Mike Roth AI4: So. For someone who is struggling today with one or more of the problems that your sister had, what advice or lessons of hope can you give them? 

[00:11:50] Donna Hoover: Uh, first of all, without reading the 

[00:11:51] Mike Roth AI4: book, 

[00:11:52] Donna Hoover: no. I would first of all say absolutely there's hope no matter what you've been through, no matter you know, or if it's someone that you love, no matter what they've been through, it doesn't matter because there is always hope.

There's a, there is a light. You just need to follow the light. And as low as you might feel, there is something waiting for you on the other side, and you need to just believe that for yourself. 

[00:12:17] Mike Roth AI4: So, so who is the book written for? Is it written for the loved ones of the person going through these problems?

Or is the book written for the person going through these problems? 

[00:12:27] Donna Hoover: It was really written for both, and I don't think I realized that at first when I was writing it. I thought I was just telling Jennifer's story, and this would be for people who were struggling as she had. As I wrote it and as I presented it to beta readers and got the feedback, I realized that I was an important part of the story and I didn't even realize it really.

'cause you're just living your life, you don't know. So I realized that the people. Who are going through it with the addict or with the person who's an alcoholic or whatever it might be. They are a big part of the story too. You don't just go into addiction all by yourself. You bring your family and friends with you.

And so this, sometimes 

[00:13:11] Mike Roth AI4: there's unwilling participants. 

[00:13:13] Donna Hoover: Oh, absolutely. Unwilling participants. But what happens is that what happened to me is that, like I said, I learned, and this book is for. Others who want to understand what their person is going through, and it's an encouragement to those that love someone who is struggling as well.

[00:13:32] Mike Roth AI4: And now let's listen to Dr. Craig Curtis as we talk about Alzheimer's disease. What is the diagnostic process to Splish the difference between someone who has Alzheimer's and someone who has a different form of dementia? 

[00:13:47] Dr. Craig Curtis: That's a great question, Mike. So Alzheimer's disease in the past was a clinical diagnosis.

Mm-hmm. And we would talk to the patient and the family and they would tell us about this progressive memory loss and maybe other symptoms that have been occurring over the past three to five years. And we would simply test their memory and maybe wait another year or two and retest their memory to look for decline nowadays.

It's completely different. As a matter of fact, now our diagnostic process involves actually looking for amyloid in the brain, which we now know causes Alzheimer's disease. How do you see amyloid in the brain? We can see amyloid in the brain using PET scans. Which is the most common way. And now we're working on using blood tests, which are going to be coming out in the next few years.

In fact, there's already one blood test that is FDA cleared to detect amyloid in the blood, which is reflecting amyloid in the brain. 

[00:14:46] Mike Roth AI4: And that would be the differential between another type of dementia and. Alzheimer's. 

[00:14:52] Dr. Craig Curtis: Yes, sir. 

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[00:15:09] Mike Roth AI3: I'm back with Donna Hoover talking about her book Wandering in The Shadows.  Is your mother still alive?  

[00:15:14] Donna Hoover: Yes 

[00:15:15] Mike Roth AI4: Has your mom red the galley proofs of the book? 

[00:15:17] Donna Hoover: Yes, and she's very uncomfortable with it, to be honest. She. There's some family secrets that come out that she's not happy about, but in the.

Being transparent that a lot of the things had to be told. And she did write a supportive letter to Jennifer that's in the book too. But I think like most people, once you've been through a lot of trauma, you just wanna put it behind you. And I believe she's coming from that place where she would just rather.

Let's just, we move past it, right? Let's why Talk about it. 

Close the door. 

Yeah, close the door. But Jennifer is very compelled to help other people, so we couldn't really do that. 

[00:15:57] Mike Roth AI4: What line of work is Jennifer in today? 

[00:15:59] Donna Hoover: She is a mom. She has a son, a young son, and she is a very. Still living in her creative life.

She creates like the best birthday parties you ever wanted to see for a little kid. She makes things from scratch. One time she made this gigantic sale that was, I don't know, 30 feet tall for a pirate party for his birthday. So she's totally engrossed in motherhood and she's into. Now more holistic living, eating healthy, eating organic, making good choices in every way in her life now, and she takes her son journey to, to his lessons.

[00:16:41] Mike Roth AI4: How many years ago was the, 

[00:16:42] Donna Hoover: the aneurysm happened in 2020. 

[00:16:44] Mike Roth AI4: Okay, so five years ago. 

[00:16:46] Donna Hoover: Yeah, almost six. Now we're closing in. Oh my goodness. 

[00:16:50] Mike Roth AI4: Yeah. Time flies. Right. For someone struggling today, what message of hope would you like them to have? Today, and if they read the book, 

[00:17:00] Donna Hoover: the message of hope is that one, you're not in this alone, God is with you.

And you might not see it, you might not feel it, but he is there and he has his hand out waiting for you, and you definitely can overcome this no matter what it feels like today. And if you read the book, it's not a straight line. You're not gonna see Jennifer decide today I am gonna get sober and the next day she's sober.

It just doesn't work like that. You'll see yourself in the book. I guarantee it. And like I said, if there was hope for Jennifer, I promise you there's hope for you. 

[00:17:38] Mike Roth AI4: What was the most shocking moment, uh, that you discovered while telling her story? 

[00:17:42] Donna Hoover: I would say it was when I found out that her life was really in danger and I didn't realize to the extent that she was living in danger, and it was from someone who was supposed to.

Take care of her and keep her safe. And it was a little jarring to know, like I said, some of the things that she lived through that I really had no idea. 

[00:18:06] Mike Roth AI4: And in the time that she was having these problems with addiction and alcohol, did she run into law enforcement or any other social workers that might have helped her?

[00:18:18] Donna Hoover: She absolutely ran into law enforcement. If you read the book, you'll find about the time she was arrested as a felon. Yeah, that happened. 

[00:18:26] Mike Roth AI4: That happened. Were you afraid that the family secrets that you revealed that your mom didn't sell much apparently would ricochet onto you? 

[00:18:35] Donna Hoover: Yeah. Honestly, it was my biggest fear.

It, the whole thing was hard. I presented the book to my mom in the summer and it was difficult 'cause I knew she wasn't gonna be happy. And I love my mom. I don't want to do anything to hurt her. But like I said, the things that. Are told, need to be told. And it could be a cautionary tale. It could be, and also hope if you're stuck in it.

[00:19:01] Mike Roth AI4: Was there one single thing that pulled Jennifer back from the brink of destruction? 

[00:19:06] Donna Hoover: I would say there were a couple things. One of 'em was God's Greys. Another one was the birth of her daughter. That made a big impact on her life, getting her out of a very dire situation. Then later, her son, of course. And then for her, she's a very stubborn person.

Her stubbornness and her inner strength just, I think they all combined together and then of course we were all contending for her, those of us in the family. 

[00:19:33] Mike Roth AI4: You say in the book that Jennifer had a gift for bringing light even into the darkest of seasons. What did her hopefulness or creativeness teach you about Joy, even when life is hard.

[00:19:46] Donna Hoover: Jennifer was, and still is a person who finds a childlike beauty in everything. There are some funny little stories in there that involve her bringing music to people, encouraging people. She never looked at herself as someone who was down, even when she was, she always looked at herself as an encourager to others, and so that.

That part of her is inexplicable. 'cause most people who are going through what she's going through are in a deep, dark place. She eventually, emotionally, definitely had some despair, which is what eventually draws you out. But so much of about her brings joy to other people. And I think that's one of the keys that make this book a little bit special, is that it's not just a story of darkness and despair and addiction and alcoholism.

It is a story of a girl who you fall in love with and root for that you think, oh my gosh, I want this girl to win. I want her to get out of this. Why doesn't she get out of this and you care for her? Like I said, you fall in love with her and. I think that's what really makes the book different because there's a light side and a dark side and they play off of each other, for sure.

[00:21:03] Mike Roth AI4: Mm-hmm. So it took you seven and a half years to write the book. Okay. Today the book is available on Amazon. 

[00:21:09] Donna Hoover: Yes. You can go to our website, wandering in the shadows.com, and you can also find it on Amazon. I go under the name Donna MZ Hoover, and so that would be the authors. Name. I thought that Donna Hoover was a little too common of a name, so I threw some middle initials in there.

[00:21:31] Mike Roth AI4: Does the Z mean anything? 

[00:21:32] Donna Hoover: That was my maiden name. That's Jennifer's last name. Zajak. She retained that name. So it's actually Donna Marie Zajak Hoover. Okay, 

[00:21:42] Mike Roth AI4: good. And tell our listeners about how many pages the book is. 

[00:21:47] Donna Hoover: The, the page count, I think it's 337 pages in totality. 

[00:21:52] Mike Roth AI4: And is it available as a Kindle book as well?

[00:21:55] Donna Hoover: Yes, you can get it right now as an ebook and as a paperback. And we're considering doing an audio version. We haven't gone down that road yet. And probably a hard cover as well. 

[00:22:08] Mike Roth AI4: Yeah, I know someone who might be able to read it very well. 

[00:22:10] Donna Hoover: Yeah, 

[00:22:11] Mike Roth AI4: female voice is familiar with the story. 

[00:22:14] Donna Hoover: Yeah. 

[00:22:15] Mike Roth AI4: Are you doing any promotions on the book on Amazon?

[00:22:18] Donna Hoover: We are doing a lot of promotions right now on Facebook and YouTube. So you can go to Facebook, wandering in the shadows, you can go to YouTube, wandering in the shadows. The name is all the same on all of the platforms, and you can find us, you can go to our website and view. A lot of the promotional videos.

There are a lot of behind the scenes interviews that I did with Jennifer and that'll, you can meet her and then you can see her and then you can hear in her own voice her talking about some of the things she went through. 

[00:22:50] Mike Roth AI4: Okay. So you have a full promotional package on the book? We 

[00:22:53] Donna Hoover: do, yeah, we do. Okay.

Do 

[00:22:54] Mike Roth AI4: people read a, a sample of the book on Amazon? 

[00:22:57] Donna Hoover: Yes, they can. 

[00:22:58] Mike Roth AI4: How did you select what the sample is? 

[00:23:01] Donna Hoover: Just looking for something that was exciting and that would be compelling and make people wondering, wow, what's gonna happen next? 

[00:23:08] Mike Roth AI4: Is there gonna be a sequel? 

[00:23:10] Donna Hoover: I'm sure I'll write another book. I don't know what it'll be about.

I don't know what the subject matter will be. I'm considering and praying about that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it'll take seven and a half years though. I don't know if I have that kind of time. 

[00:23:22] Mike Roth AI4: Well, the tools available to us today and AI. It shouldn't take anywhere near that amount of time. 

[00:23:28] Donna Hoover: I would hope not.

My goodness. 

[00:23:30] Mike Roth AI4: Are you gonna turn it into a, I used to call 'em comic books name, they call it graphic novels today. Are you planning on turning it into a graphic novel too? 

[00:23:38] Donna Hoover: Actually, my goal, and it has been since the first day that I typed the first word of the book, my goal is to have it made into a movie.

Or a miniseries because I think that there's just enough contrast between her fun, sweet character, and the dark stuff she got into that you would be rooting for her and you would, you would enjoy the ride. 

[00:24:03] Mike Roth AI4: Oh. As an author, who do you see playing the lead of your sister's park? 

[00:24:07] Donna Hoover: Oh wow. That's a great question.

Gosh, I've been accused of 

[00:24:10] Mike Roth AI4: that a lot. 

[00:24:11] Donna Hoover: I'm gonna have to think about that because I don't know. Can you think of anybody? Some young. Actress. I don't know. Gosh, that is an excellent question. 

[00:24:20] Mike Roth AI4: Something to think about. 

[00:24:22] Donna Hoover: I will be thinking about it now. 

[00:24:24] Mike Roth AI4: Mm-hmm. Have you written the pitch script for Hollywood?

[00:24:26] Donna Hoover: Not yet. I had, I mainly focused on getting this book out and it was very interesting. When you write a book, you think you're just gonna write a book, you're not, you're gonna start a business too. I didn't know that. So I'm learning that 

[00:24:40] Mike Roth AI4: a lot of writers never do. 

[00:24:42] Donna Hoover: If you don't start a business on the back end, your book's probably not going anywhere.

It would be my guess. Well, there are 

[00:24:47] Mike Roth AI4: really new books published every month. 

[00:24:50] Donna Hoover: So many. 

[00:24:51] Mike Roth AI4: So many. Okay. And you have to stand out from the crowd. 

[00:24:54] Donna Hoover: Absolutely. 

[00:24:55] Mike Roth AI4: What are you doing besides the promotional pieces to make the book stand out? 

[00:25:00] Donna Hoover: I'm sending out information to local news sources in Oklahoma. Hopefully Jennifer gets interviewed, or at least something get printed in the paper where she is doing podcasts.

No doing podcasts. That's niche 

[00:25:14] Mike Roth AI4: yet worldwide actually. 

[00:25:16] Donna Hoover: Yeah. And then all the ads that we're running. Yeah. Anything else we can think of? Honestly? Yeah. 

[00:25:22] Mike Roth AI4: Good. Again, why don't you tell our listeners what the website is for the book so they can find it. 

[00:25:28] Donna Hoover: Alright. If Jennifer's story touched you today, I invite you to read Wandering In the Shadows.

It is a story of brokenness, bravery, and the Greys that saved Jennifer's life. You can find the book at wandering in the shadows.com and Amazon. Thank you for supporting this story of redemption. And Mike, thank you for having me here today. 

[00:25:49] Mike Roth AI4: Donna, thanks for doing the show. Listeners, I'm thrilled to share with you this podcast, which is my passion project.

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