Understanding Dementia: A Conversation with Sue Ryan

Understanding Dementia: A Conversation with Sue Ryan

In this episode of the 'Open Forum in The Villages, Florida' podcast, host Mike Roth interviews Sue Ryan, a change strategist, speaker, author, executive coach, and long-time caregiver with 40 years of experience. They discuss various aspects of dementia care, including early diagnosis, determining when to seek outside help, the importance of self-care for caregivers, and making decisions about memory care units. Sue shares practical advice for supporting loved ones with dementia, highlights the importance of early legal and financial planning, and discusses her nonprofit, podcast, and award-winning online courses that provide resources and support for dementia family caregivers.

00:00 Sue Ryan - Cargiving - Final Cut
01:19 Introduction and Guest Introduction
01:27 Sue Ryan's Career and Caregiving Experience
03:33 Understanding Dementia and Its Diagnosis
07:31 Personal Stories and Experiences with Dementia
11:38 Making Decisions for Dementia Care
14:51 Continuous Caregiving and Support
16:29 Genetic Factors and Dementia Progression
16:58 Observing and Adapting to Dementia
19:02 Legal and Financial Preparations
19:35 Daily Care and Comfort Strategies
22:56 Using Technology for Dementia Care
24:25 Transitioning to Care Facilities
26:02 Resources and Support for Caregivers

Transcript

Understanding Dementia: A Conversation with Sue Ryan

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[00:01:19] Mike Roth: This is Mike Roth on Open Forum in The Villages, Florida.

I'm here today with Sue Ryan. Thanks for joining me. 

Great to be here today, Thanks for inviting me 

Sue has had a multifaceted career. She's been a change strategist, a speaker and author, an executive coach. And she's been a caregiver for a lot of years in her life. So how many years of caregiving do you experience do you have?

 That's 40 years of caregiving experience, Mike 

More experience than you have as a enterprise software sales . She's had the pleasure of being a TEDx speaker, and co-authored, five International Bestsellers and an award-winning online course for caregivers. She does a podcast with Nancy Treaster that's called the Caregiver's Journey.

Okay.

And you have a nonprofit, to help deal with dementia. 

[00:02:08] Sue Ryan: And what we wanted to do is to create the caregivers journey.org as a nonprofit so that we could be bringing resources to dementia family caregivers. And there are a lot of diagnoses under the umbrella of dementia. We wanna bring resources to help dementia family caregivers more easily, and also do them at little or no fee. 

[00:02:26] Mike Roth: That's great. And if you've listened to the whole catalog of the 170 podcast in this series, you'll discover that we did have a author here in The Villages who was a caregiver, wrote a book about caregiving for her dad and her husband. And then recently, about two weeks ago, we did a show with 

[00:02:45] Mike Roth AI3: Chris Durance

[00:02:47] Mike Roth: Is the producer director of the PBS show on Caregiving. It's a two hour special

[00:02:54] Mike Roth AI3: was on on 

[00:02:54] Mike Roth: June 28th, and it's on pbs.org. It was, a very interesting, conversation with Chris and through the PBS stations. They've created a long term set of programs that have been ongoing, for the last couple of months and plan to go for the next three years on caregiving.

And he's going to be doing, a series of shows on dementia and other, brain related, issues. After 

[00:03:20] Mike Roth: the can give you his contact he was one of the ones where we recorded an hour and wound up with 25 minutes.

We have a lot of older people here in The Villages and the younger people wind up with Alzheimer's or other forms of dementia. 

What are the most important things that maybe the top three or four things that family members should take into account and do when they get their first indication that this family member is suffering some kind of dementia.

[00:03:48] Sue Ryan: It's a really 

good question because the the first thing that you wanna do is actually determine if it is a type of DIA 

dementia UTIs

we tract infections, and themselves, uh, loss and with other challenges.

That would similar to dementia.

[00:04:03] Mike Roth AI3: if it is showing itself as dementia

[00:04:06] Sue Ryan: on what that looks like and what it really is. Because dementia itself as a diagnosis is an umbrella over a number of different types of Alzheimer's disease, there's frontotemporal, there's of different ways it manifests 

[00:04:20] Mike Roth AI3: People misdiagnosed, 

[00:04:21] Mike Roth: like Robin Williams, you know, first is Parkinson's. Then Alzheimer's, I guess. And then it turned out on autopsy it was Lewy body disease.

He was originally diagnosed with bodies 

[00:04:33] Mike Roth AI3: Mm-hmm 

and then Alzheimer's disease 

[00:04:36] Sue Ryan: or you actually something that you wanna look at medically, like a type of a dementia

[00:04:42] Mike Roth AI3: and the educational 

As people get older, they will get more forgetful. People's brains shrink as they get older on one side, if it is Alzheimer's, they build up plaque in their brain, which diminishes capacity.

[00:04:59] Mike Roth: first of all start observing And then identify if it seems like it's one kind of a medical condition versus another 

[00:05:05] Mike Roth AI3: know acknowledge that there's something not and you start

taking action

[00:05:09] Sue Ryan: to determine what it be. You'll have a longer pathway to be taking action in one way or another

a type of dementia

[00:05:19] Mike Roth: adjustments early 

[00:05:20] Sue Ryan: the most

[00:05:22] Mike Roth AI3: What were the top two or three things that the first one would be testing 

before testing.

just raising your level of awareness 

Mm-hmm 

[00:05:29] Sue Ryan: determine if there's medically going on. Or if it is potentially the beginnings of a, And then the third one is recognizing that you're a team, recognizing that you have a loved one.

They may have a medical diagnosis of a type of dementia.

[00:05:48] Mike Roth AI3: team

[00:05:49] Sue Ryan: as a together, it's not one or other. You don't

[00:05:53] Mike Roth AI3: Whatever other diagnosis it is it's practicing Self-care as well

Self-care is important. 

[00:05:58] Mike Roth: The, medical community, I don't think has stepped up to, doing everything they can do going back maybe three or four years. The diagnosis of dementia would be, my loved one's having memory problems and they give him a memory test.

They say, come back in a year and we'll see how he does on the memory test then. Whereas today, they have a new FDA approved blood test that will find, amyloid and tau in your blood. And if it's in your blood, it's in your brain, I just had a friend who, thought he was having memory problems and, went through the local va and then he was sent up to the VA in Gainesville for a whole battery of tests.

And, they told him he's fine. But he says, you know, Mike, I'm not fine. I'm forgetting things. I'm doing things that maybe I shouldn't be doing. They should have been going after the new blood test to find out what's going on in his blood does he have the blood work that says this is dementia 

that is one of the first things you do 

[00:07:01] Sue Ryan: abilities when you're aware of it or your loved one's aware and they're like, yeah, this isn't right, raise it to your level of awareness. And if the says, well, I know we don't, we don't

test this. So keep pushing on it if that there is issue. And community focuses on is the with a diagnosis, that's who's caring remember that whatever that is is that's you and your loved one, focused together on the both become as healthy as you possibly

[00:07:29] Mike Roth AI3: Well, and that's 

[00:07:30] Mike Roth: important. 

I had a close friend who was diagnosed with, aphasia. He couldn't put his words together. He was the most brilliant guy around, really smart. He lived with that for a couple of years. He and his wife split up. He found a new girlfriend from Canada, which to me wasn't a great idea.

Because of the differences in medical system. And then he never divorced his wife. And I said, why didn't you divorce her? You have all the money in the world, it doesn't matter. And he says, no, it's cheaper for me to keep her than divorce divorced. And, and then three years later he died. And. And that is a problem between his kids and this, wife or widow now.

So I don't even know how that's gonna.

My dad had dementia with aphasia 

[00:08:15] Sue Ryan: dad, I. didn't call out on, on his own. having a harder time remembering words. And in the beginning you fill it

like, well, things. And people will fill in for you. You don't anything of it. Then it becomes a pattern.

[00:08:30] Mike Roth AI3: You know when something's

At first 

[00:08:32] Mike Roth: I didn't see any problem with my friend and after a year, I, I noticed there was material problem and then. Other thing that I noticed is that his level of decision making, which was always spot on, had become really strange. He was doing a lot of strange 

[00:08:50] Mike Roth AI3: stuff that he would never.

[00:08:52] Sue Ryan: can be impaired to about five years

[00:08:55] Mike Roth: Dementia. .

[00:08:55] Mike Roth AI3: One of the things that can happen is judgment can be impaired

Yes 

Judgment 

[00:08:59] Mike Roth: Right. I've 

seen that happen, to other people too. Probably no more than 18 months 

[00:09:04] Mike Roth AI3: later . He 

[00:09:05] Mike Roth: winds up in a, memory care unit. His children put him there. I visited them there and he was very unhappy and agitated about the way, his assets were being controlled by other people.

Very sad case. His doctors told me that, for someone with the type of dementia that he had, he was doing very well. ' cause he was walking around, he was talking and he was perfectly lucid sometimes, but. Not others, so the first thing is to recognize medically what's happening.

Second thing that family member should do is what?

aware of it then you wanna 

[00:09:42] Mike Roth AI3: work 

Mm-hmm 

to get a diagnosis get some tests done diagnosis and then recognize that you're team that you're going

[00:09:52] Sue Ryan: one who is now a care giver, and you go to the doctor, get these about the diagnosis and a lot of information that that's gonna sup, support you with the patient and the caregiver leaves with. Nothing. going to be shifting their life in order to the best kind of support for their loved one. So we wanna do the best we can to be providing the care for our loved one,

[00:10:16] Mike Roth: throughout 

[00:10:16] Mike Roth: Listen to Dr. Craig Curtis and me talk about why Alzheimer's disease is the most feared disease in America. 

Feared disease in America more than heart attacks. It's a very feared disease because it heart attacks and strokes kill more people. That is true. It's the number one killer of men and women in the United States. Alzheimer's disease is also the only one of the top 10 killers of Americans that we currently don't have a way of modifying significantly.

 But. Through these prevention studies, we're hoping we can find some more answers. We're also looking at removing this amyloid before someone gets symptoms. We talked about tau and that protein, how it spreads through the brain. Mm-hmm. We currently have a research trial where we're testing a vaccine to see if we can halt the spread of tau.

It's a worldwide study and we're doing it right here in the villages, and we're really hopeful that things like this in the future can provide us some help. That study might be able to stop the progression 

[00:11:19] Janine Evans: of tau if it works. Mm-hmm. With over 20 years of experience studying brain health, Dr. Curtis's goal is to educate the village's community on how to live a longer, healthier life.

To learn more, visit his website. Craig Curtis md.com or call 3 5 2 5 0 0 5 2 5 2 to attend a free seminar.

[00:11:38] Mike Roth AI3: How 

[00:11:38] Mike Roth: does the caregiver make a determination that it's time to bring in outside help into the home?

[00:11:44] Sue Ryan: That's a questions that is 

[00:11:46] Mike Roth: going to vary by each person because one of the things that's going happen when bringing outside help it could be that you've 

[00:11:54] Sue Ryan: family who could come for of hours so that you could go to the grocery

[00:11:59] Mike Roth AI3: Church has people who could Come and sit respite there's level begins 

Mm-hmm Mm-hmm 

The loved one has become incontinent and you're gonna 

[00:12:09] Sue Ryan: gotta feed them and have that part of the the process, and that's something that requires more expertise, then you're going to start looking at professional care.

And that professional care will either come from an individual who's a professional or from an organization who has professional caregivers could come

[00:12:32] Mike Roth AI3: who into the home.

And, 

[00:12:34] Mike Roth: bringing professional caregivers into the home seems to make a lot of sense for some people. For other people, not so much. But how does a family member make a decision that it's time to put a loved one in a memory care unit?

[00:12:49] Sue Ryan: Excellent question, 

[00:12:50] Mike Roth: The way that I determined it with care for my husband Is my I had two goals for him throughout our entire journey 

[00:12:58] Mike Roth AI3: and I've had 

[00:12:58] Sue Ryan: two goals with him 

[00:13:00] Mike Roth AI3: with all of my care receivers want them safe 

[00:13:03] Sue Ryan: and 

[00:13:04] Mike Roth AI3: I want 

[00:13:04] Sue Ryan: them to 

[00:13:05] Mike Roth AI3: be happy 

Mm-hmm 

[00:13:08] Sue Ryan: my husband would go into what I call a dementia moment. he was. He didn't know who I was. He didn't know what was going on. He did not feel safe, see me as someone who was his life partner, someone who was 

[00:13:22] Mike Roth AI3: They don't recognize that's a 

[00:13:23] Sue Ryan: is a larger person and a stronger person than I am. If I'm a threat to him, most loving gentleman in the entire world could have hurt me.

And there were me and he was quite firm when moment, and I knew that there was very good chance that he could. a realistic perspective, I said the wisest

health and where there were professionals around him. first part of it. So I to bring professionals into the longer period of time, or I, it right time for me to into a care community. One of the things that indicated to me that a care community was a wiser. Choice. He was a very social person. He liked active. and his throughout that time, recognized that he needed to be in a more controlled environment, and meant that I him in the home and brought more stimulation to him.

Or Or 

[00:14:12] Mike Roth AI3: move him into a continuing care 

[00:14:14] Sue Ryan: as to keeping him at home. partner kept her husband at home and brought care into the home 'cause his diagnosis was different, symptomatically, it manifested itself differently and they were to

manage 

[00:14:30] Mike Roth AI3: That's right. The caregiver. 

[00:14:32] Mike Roth: Well, caregivers, if there are multiple caregivers living in the home, would the person with, a dementia problem, is very serious. 

And then B where they are in their diagnosis And so you can't say well they've been diagnosed for five months This is going to 

[00:14:46] Sue Ryan: happen.

[00:14:46] Mike Roth: Mm-hmm 

Not so much You observe It's continuous the whole caregiving

[00:14:51] Sue Ryan: the whole diagnosis journey are continuous. continuous observation, continuously making choices continuously, like what is they're here for me to learn,

 you can ask the big part of the dementia journey is you don't know the answers to the questions because you don't know the questions

[00:15:10] Mike Roth AI3: Until it happened. 

want to connect 

Right Right 

[00:15:12] Sue Ryan: big impetus for the reason that my business partner and I launched our podcast. We call it Practical Tips and Candid Conversations. We wanted dementia family caregivers to learn faster and more easily than we did about things that are going to go on in your journey and you don't know when they're going to happen.

[00:15:28] Mike Roth: I remember when we had to put my mom into a nursing home, getting her to sign a power of attorney, how difficult that was. For her. That probably happened because we waited at least six months too late to wake up and say, oh, we gotta do something. It was difficult.

As I was saying before you want the longest pathway possible when there is going to be diagnosis 

[00:15:50] Sue Ryan: have a, even have a diagnosis now, you don't have either life insurance or long-term healthcare. You wanna

of dementia, we're all going be and we're all going to be having issues.

sad, cases where they didn't do a financial power of attorney and or they didn't legal power of

They 

[00:16:12] Mike Roth AI3: that's a hope.

[00:16:13] Sue Ryan: matter whether you're ever gonna have a di we wanna make sure we're doing that and, and every one of us should have that. when there is a diagnosis and our loved one is no longer competent to sign their le their legally.

[00:16:24] Mike Roth AI3: Right. And there's a 

[00:16:25] Mike Roth: time curve, as people go downhill. 

And it's important to know, what kind of a curve your loved one is on. And that's partially determined by their genes. The A P O E 2 3 and 4 , and which ones your loved one has, if they have two, APOE 2 genes, 8% of the population is in good shape.

They have two APOE two genes their curve is going to be a really long curve before they fall. But if they have two A P O E four genes , the curve has got a really steep fall at about two years, 

[00:16:59] Sue Ryan: you have the diagnosis or whether you're caring for someone with a diagnosis, is to observe that, uh, my husband's journey was, uh, over 10

years. business partner's husbands about 10 years.

We've, we've had other loved ones where they were about six years, You don't know how

wanna make sure is you're staying in the moment, moment by moment, and addressing where they are 

[00:17:23] Mike Roth AI3: and 

[00:17:24] Sue Ryan: and then just drop

[00:17:26] Mike Roth AI3: Mm-hmm. 

[00:17:26] Mike Roth: Have anyone tell you about, their loved one going through something like what they do at the AVI Clinics with oxygen therapy to attempt to bring back, the activity in their brain.

[00:17:39] Mike Roth AI3: Do a variety of different therapies and the oxygen 

chambers

[00:17:42] Sue Ryan: healthy.

There are a lot of. can, uh, a healthier surrounding. They're not gonna change the diagnosis

[00:17:49] Mike Roth AI3: Here in The Villages there's an Israeli firm called Avi, their regimen is three months long where you're spending five days a week, 45 minutes or an hour in the hyperbaric chamber. As well as doing, mental exercises and physical therapy, to improve, people. 

[00:18:09] Mike Roth: And I know I have seen.

There's some things that we can all be doing independently of 

the diagnosis 

That's independent. I have witnessed some people, with mental decline, change the fall on their curve and bring it back up. Other people not so much. As soon as they stopped the, three months of, hyperbaric chamber therapy, they fell back very rapidly into where they were before it started. 

[00:18:36] Sue Ryan: Same thing with both my dad and my husband were given medical early in their diagnosis that helped for a period of time .

So there is NOT a medication that's approved that will help throughout the entire journey. 

[00:18:44] Mike Roth AI3: They are, 

[00:18:45] Mike Roth: testing, preventatives, that would become a vaccine for preventing something like Alzheimer's. But that's still probably two to three years away. Alzheimer's disease is the most feared disease in America, even though it's not the one that kills the most people.

What do you think the timeframe should be, when someone gets diagnosed with Alzheimer's? That their family and caregivers should take action. In terms of wills, passwords, even social media accounts.

So if you're listening to this podcast episode today you could be as healthy as 

[00:19:22] Sue Ryan: If

[00:19:22] Mike Roth AI3: you wanna make sure

[00:19:24] Sue Ryan: documents signed while still have to actually sign them.

[00:19:28] Mike Roth AI3: Yeah 

especially if it's passwords or other

[00:19:31] Sue Ryan: someone

[00:19:31] Mike Roth AI3: Information

[00:19:32] Sue Ryan: of those pieces shared.

And

[00:19:35] Mike Roth AI3: early 

[00:19:36] Sue Ryan: thing that you wanna do when you've got someone in their diagnosis is talk with them. I mean, you may be long, but the, the that you start about things that are their preferences that they may not have been able to have shared with you so far.

 know, together is what are of the options for incontinence underwear? What would make you physically more comfortable? Have them try them on before they need them so that they can share with you. 

[00:19:59] Mike Roth AI3: Preferences

[00:20:00] Sue Ryan: like to eat.

What are their the things so that when they

communicate you, already know the answers to the things you bring someone into

for a few hours. the kinds are most easily recognizable by. You husband was diagnosed, I created a photo wall, and if we to go to dinner with someone,

the photo wall and at eye and would talk about them and we would use their names. I did is I created a business card that said my husband and I gave his name. His name is Jack. My appreciate your would give that to the server, or I would give that to the host to give to the server. I would've gone through the menu before we got to a restaurant

also look at the that they like so that you can recognize the things they have access

 talked with someone in a, group

[00:20:46] Mike Roth AI3: They thought he likes sports And had several rooms 

[00:20:50] Sue Ryan: TVs. And and They would have the on.

Well, they were him in with the with the TV that had sports on it. Well, he like sports. capturing these kinds of. information, providing care, conversations having foods they like and they don't like the prefer to have things done.

Are they left-handed or right-handed? How do they like to wear their clothes? What are the things that are most comfortable and, and be doing those things that support with them. 

[00:21:15] Mike Roth AI3: Is there a period

[00:21:16] Sue Ryan: you really feel the most depleted, where would be beneficial for you to have someone and come in and share some time with your loved one?

So you could get away for an hour and just rest, or you could, closing your eyes, or it could be going out and going to the store, going for a walk. So observe yourself. And choose to do. And, and one of the I handle this, I can do all this,

[00:21:36] Mike Roth AI3: To go every single day I stayed up when husband

[00:21:39] Sue Ryan: the numbers guy, he, when he started not being able to do the numbers well, I said,

[00:21:44] Mike Roth AI3: fix up

[00:21:45] Sue Ryan: to sleep. And never know.

could get away with of sleep. Well, over that's not such a great idea. we have the opportunity to start to be to things, whether we're the caregiver or it's with

receiver, it's gonna make that journey. And also journey for other people we bring in for support, whether it's a non-professional, like a family member or someone

of our loved one.

[00:22:08] Mike Roth: It seems like you need to have 

several different, I'm gonna call 'em books, on your loved one 

I had some things that were 

[00:22:15] Mike Roth AI3: digital and then I also kept 

Right 

[00:22:18] Sue Ryan: one, and that's, uh, been for a long time.

You can Google it, file of Life. And I also registered them with the, , medical

Restore audio around and he started to go for a walk 'cause he liked to walk.

[00:22:29] Mike Roth AI3: The first call I made is to the police department started looking for him around the community 

[00:22:35] Sue Ryan: They found him.

When I, I got you know, like five minutes

were just having the nicest Jack wasn't concerned. The police officer was being really friendly.

So I had such peace of mind when I did that early in his diagnosis because I didn't know if it would ever happen.

But you know it it did

[00:22:54] Mike Roth: That's a great tip. 

what about the, plethora of electronic monitoring devices, whether it's a GPS watch that you give your local to wear or, a sensor that monitors whether or not they've gotten up out of bed in the middle of the night.

There are amazing pieces technology

[00:23:13] Sue Ryan: things that 

monitor medication 

are a variety of different things where you can have tracking devices that your loved one would have.

They could put it, it could be in the heel of their shoe. A tracking device. Of course, I had the, we had the phone. There came a point in time when my husband couldn't use the phone anymore, but could still be a tracking

[00:23:30] Mike Roth AI3: device 

[00:23:31] Sue Ryan: technology that is available to support medication devices.

They could take the medication and it on medication and think it's a bug and throw it out. Which we heard the story

people in the support group is mom would take the medication out of the machine, put it on the counter to get the water, and then she would think, because the pills roll around, she thought

[00:23:53] Mike Roth AI3: Went over one day and Saw all the trash

[00:23:55] Sue Ryan: what's all of

was happening.

And it's the, continuous observation. It's continuously adjusting.

For my husband, the watch was not going to work because

he would

[00:24:08] Mike Roth AI3: wanna the the different diagnosis you wanna get people you know what are is

[00:24:15] Sue Ryan: gonna be comfortable with?

And the

[00:24:18] Mike Roth AI3: used to where if you

If you a watch is good 

[00:24:20] Sue Ryan: them become aware of

on, the easier it's going for adapt.

[00:24:25] Mike Roth: The transition for a loved one when you, when you have to take them out of their home and move to a facility, whether it's a lockdown memory care unit or an assisted living facility. How do you think caregivers should handle that?

husband and I felt like it was an amazing gift It is a gift so that my loved one can have the care they need and be in the most peaceful environment 

[00:24:55] Mike Roth AI3: wanted 

[00:24:56] Sue Ryan: how do everything. Talk about notebooks. I had one of those.

I wanted 

I asked how I could do

as possible. them would. show them what was important to my

We would 

[00:25:07] Mike Roth AI3: husband

[00:25:07] Sue Ryan: would 

[00:25:07] Mike Roth AI3: In picking the facility 

[00:25:10] Mike Roth: because there may, in any physical area, there are usually more than one choice for. Memory care units. What criteria did you use?

[00:25:18] Sue Ryan: back to my goals of safe and happy my husband was very social an environment Where he stimulus

different activities there. He get outside and walk. They had an an area where he could walk. And they had day program. And I put him in their day program. And when I him up at the end of the day, he was smiling. He didn't remember what he had done, but he was

community 

[00:25:40] Mike Roth AI3: he said 

[00:25:41] Sue Ryan: to use his phone at that time. And he called and get me out of here. And he was so unhappy. I, navigated it with my dad. He had a different set of requirements and different things that he enjoyed and he enjoyed, um, a peaceful, less 

[00:25:54] Mike Roth AI3: we

[00:25:54] Sue Ryan: going

[00:25:55] Mike Roth AI3: environment so it was something he was very comfortable with

[00:25:58] Sue Ryan: looked at it from the lens of what was important for them 

[00:26:02] Mike Roth AI3: Okay, 

[00:26:02] Mike Roth: You mentioned your podcast. Why don't you tell our listeners if they have a caregiving issue, or they wanna become more caregiving aware, how to listen to your podcast.

Our website called the care givers journey dot org 

[00:26:13] Sue Ryan: You can go all the podcast episodes there You YouTube the Caregiver's Journey

podcast episode It a, uh, of it and you can also listen to it from an

put links in the show notes for any products. And there's are things we ourselves

We're also on Facebook and Instagram We also encourage

say, Hey, we'll work on addressing that

[00:26:37] Mike Roth: Sue Ryan's website is caregivers journey.org.

Great. Thanks for being with us today, Sue.

[00:26:47] Sue Ryan: Your welcome. Thanks for inviting me on.

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