Open Forum Dialogues: An Interview with writer Christine Morris Campbell

In this episode of the Open Forum in the Villages, Florida, host Mike Roth interviews Christine Morris Campbell, an author and long-time resident. The episode delves into her background, from her origins in Yorkshire, England, and her education at the University of London, to her adventurous life that brought her to the United States over 50 years ago. Christine shares the inspiration and research behind her three historical fiction books: 'The Watchmaker,' 'The Gold Miner,' and 'Journey to Exile,' all available on Amazon. She also reflects on her wide-ranging experiences, from working in personnel and dental clinics, to teaching English in Ukraine. Interspersed with an Alzheimer's tip from Dr. Craig Curtis, the episode gives insight into the vibrant life within The Villages and encourages listeners to explore Christine's meticulously researched novels.

00:00 Introduction to the Open Forum

01:42 Meet Christine Morris Campbell

02:21 Christine's Journey to Becoming an Author

05:23 Life in the United States

08:42 Christine's Books and Writing Process

11:26 Alzheimer's Tip from Dr. Craig Curtis

12:50 Promoting and Selling Books

23:19 Christine's Life Lessons and Advice

27:07 Conclusion and Supporter Shoutouts

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This is Mike Roth on Open Forum in The Villages, Florida. I'm here today with Christine Morris Campbell. Thanks for joining me, Christine.

[00:01:47] Christine Campbell: Thank you.

[00:01:48] Mike Roth: Before we get started, I just wanted to remind our listeners if you want to become a follower of the series and be notified when our each episode is released, you need to go to OpenForumInTheVillagesFlorida.com , and you'll see in the upper right hand corner the word "FOLLOW".

You want to hit that button so that you'd be automatically notified of future episodes. Christine, I've known you for more than a couple of years now, and I think we know each other for about six years. I didn't know until recently that you were an author.

[00:02:24] Christine Campbell: I have written three books.

I write under the title Christine Morris Campbell, Morris being my maiden name, and that's basically how I learned to write. I got my education while I was in England.

About 10 years ago I was studying genealogy and I found a third great- grandfather in Edinburgh who was a watchmaker, but he was also a thief and he was sentenced to seven years transportation to Van Diemen’s Land.

Van Diemen’s Land is what is now known as Tasmania. At the time I thought it was an interesting story, and we used to go out to dinner with some friends on a Wednesday night, and one of them said, “You should write a book about this,” and every week for three weeks, he said, “Have you started your book?”

No. The next week he came with an outline and said, “Here's your outline.” I didn't use his outline, but it got me started to write the book. It actually took me a couple of years. My husband was ill and I abandoned it for a while. And then I decided if I wanted to ever get it published, I needed to get a move on.

And I did, and I published it in November of 2016. It's called The Watchmaker, and it's set in Edinburgh between about 1842 and 1850.

[00:03:45] Mike Roth: Let's go back.

[00:03:46] Christine Campbell: Yes. 

[00:03:47] Mike Roth: How you grew up in England, where?

[00:03:49] Christine Campbell: I was in Yorkshire. I was born and raised in Yorkshire, but I was educated at the University of London.

And I never went back home after that. I worked for a company as a personnel director for a department store, and they moved me around several different places in the country.

[00:04:05] Mike Roth: It's not that department store that we all know the name of in London?

[00:04:08] Christine Campbell: Oh, not, it was not Harrod’s. I actually turned down a job at Harrod’s and I went for a company called Mark and Spencer, which is a national chain.

[00:04:17] Mike Roth: Yeah. I've heard of Marks and Spencer. And you graduated with a degree in

[00:04:22] Christine Campbell: German Language and Literature. Yes, that's unusual. I've never used it apart from when I go back on vacation to Germany. At the time when I graduated, having a degree was the most important thing. There were fewer people in England going to university.

It was a somewhat elitist thing, quite honestly, to do, and I had to compete to get in. I guess I got in, but having a degree was what gave me my first job and allowed me to go into a management program.

[00:04:52] Mike Roth: But why the German language?

[00:04:54] Christine Campbell: Because I was good at it and I liked it. I loved the language.

[00:04:58] Mike Roth: Okay. Can you still speak German?

[00:05:00] Christine Campbell: To a degree. Yes. It's been a while.

[00:05:02] Mike Roth: Okay. I lived in Cincinnati for a lot of years and it was a very German city and one of my good friends was a former West Germany resident, and she married a fellow who escaped from East Germany.

And they were a very interesting couple. And it's very difficult language for me.

[00:05:20] Christine Campbell: I just happened to be good at languages.

[00:05:22] Mike Roth: I guess so. Now you've lived in the United States for how long?

[00:05:26] Christine Campbell: I've been here 50 years.

[00:05:27] Mike Roth: 50 years. A long time. And how is it that you came to America?

[00:05:32] Christine Campbell: It was back in August of 1973, and if I told you the whole story, I might have to shoot you, Mike, but I was in Russia and it was during the Cold War days. 

 Quite honestly I did go there as a tourist. I was interested to see how Russians really were because they were considered our enemy. And when you saw them on television at the Kremlin they were all so dour and cold, but their literature and their music is something totally different. So I wanted to know who is the real Russian.

And while I was there across the breakfast table, I met a very handsome American, and a year later I ended up marrying him and coming here.  It was an adventure and I like adventures. 

[00:06:18] Mike Roth: Mm-hmm. So was he a spy?

[00:06:20] Christine Campbell: I can't say what he was doing either. 

Actually, he was a US Navy dentist and he happened to be stationed in Scotland.

[00:06:26] Mike Roth: Oh, okay. Yeah. So what was the dentist doing in Russia?

[00:06:30] Christine Campbell: He was curious because he said he had the same kind of curiosity I did, but he thought if the Russians are our enemy, I'd like to know a bit more about them. And so he'd gone there on vacation too.

[00:06:42] Mike Roth: And when you came back to the United States, where did you live in the United States?

[00:06:45] Christine Campbell: Initially I lived in Rockville, Maryland. My husband was stationed at the Navy Hospital in Bethesda, and we were only there about a year. Then we lived for two years in Southern California. And at that point, I actually pursued being a personnel director again with May Company, which has since gone defunct.

But I was the personnel director of May Company in Carlsbad, California,

[00:07:06] Mike Roth: Is that another department store? 

[00:07:09] Christine Campbell: Yes, tt was a national chain here.

From there we moved for four years to Panama.

[00:07:14] Mike Roth: Oh, Central America.

[00:07:16] Christine Campbell: So I picked up a bit of Spanish there.

[00:07:19] Mike Roth: Que Pasa?

[00:07:20] Christine Campbell: A bit more than that.

[00:07:21] Mike Roth: I don't have much more than that. And in your resume it says you visited all 50 states in America. How come you did that?

[00:07:28] Christine Campbell: My husband retired early. He retired at 47 the first time. He actually retired three times, but we couldn't ever quite settle into retirement. But the first three years after he retired, we got an RV and we toured around America and, I guess, just gradually we both really love to travel and we love to RV, and so I got around a whole lot and..

[00:07:52] Mike Roth: You got to see every state in America.

[00:07:54] Christine Campbell: Yes. The last one was North Dakota and we were in Minnesota for about a month. And actually I went to North Dakota for lunch. But other than that, that was my only exposure to North Dakota.

But most places I stayed longer than lunch.

[00:08:08] Mike Roth: And you went to Hawaii and Alaska?

[00:08:10] Christine Campbell: Yes. We drove a motor home to Alaska. I've been to Alaska four times, but one time we drove the motor home up there.

[00:08:16] Mike Roth: How come you came to The Villages?

[00:08:18] Christine Campbell: After my husband passed I had been here as a snowbird a couple of times. I felt that as a single woman, it was a good place to live, that there were a lot of activities. I actually came for the pickleball and was playing it when I first came six days a week. But there were so many activities here that if you get tired of one activity, you can always find something else to do.

And that appealed to me.

[00:08:41] Mike Roth: Okay. And what led you to write your first book?

[00:08:45] Christine Campbell: It was by chance, I think as a child, I had thought that I would become an author because I was an avid reader. I did win a competition in the Daily Mail, which is a national newspaper in England when I was 10, writing a short story about my father. But after that was the end of my writing days.

When I found this story about my third great-grandfather, I found that I needed to do research on it. One of the things I just really love about historical fiction is that it takes me as long to do the research on it as it does to write it. The writing, in fact, in some ways, is the easy part.

Unfortunately, I tend to chase rabbits too, so that I will do some research and come up with an interesting story and that'll move on to another one and another one, and then I think, oh, I'll put that in my novel. And anyway the first novel came up that way. The second one came out of Covid. I was playing golf every day, but other than that, what do you do?

I found a second great-grandfather in my genealogy studies, and he had been a tin miner in Cornwall, which is southwest England.

[00:09:49] Mike Roth: He had been a what?

[00:09:50] Christine Campbell: Tin miner.

[00:09:51] Mike Roth: A tin miner.

[00:09:53] Christine Campbell: Oh, yes. Tin mining was very popular in Cornwall and they were actually very good at it so that’s when he decided to come and gold mine in California, in Northern California.

And the Cornish miners were very sought after because they knew how to use the latest equipment. You know, they were hardworking. So it was rather interesting because as a as an immigrant group, when immigrant groups first come to this country, they're usually lower down in their social level. But this wasn't true of the Cornish miners.

They were treated with such respect and they became the sheriff and the mayor and that sort of thing. He actually did very well for about 20 years. He became an underground boss and I found all this information. It was available in genealogy, and then he killed somebody.

So that was my next novel. And that was called The Gold Miner.

[00:10:47] Mike Roth: Okay. See the underground, might mean the Mafia. Is that why he went back to England?

[00:10:53] Christine Campbell: I think he did leave in rather a hurry. Put it that way. Yes. And then the last one is just one I finished in January this year and that is called Journey to Exile.

And that really came about because I left a cliffhanger in The Watchmaker, the very first novel. And so it goes back to the first novel of Edwin Turner, The Watchmaker who got sentenced to seven years transportation to Van Diemen’s Land, and Journey to Exile is the ship journey and his arrival in Van Diemen’s Land.

[00:11:25] Mike Roth: Good. Let's take a short break and listen to a Alzheimer's tip from Dr. Craig Curtis.

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[00:12:48] Mike Roth: Thank you, Dr. Curtis. Now Christine, why don't you review for our listeners the names of your three books?

[00:12:54] Christine Campbell: Okay. The first one is The Watchmaker.

The second one is The Gold Miner, and the last one is Journey to Exile, and they're all available on Amazon and they go under my writer's name of Christine Morris Campbell.

[00:13:13] Mike Roth: Okay. So Christine, is that the right order to read the books in?

[00:13:18] Christine Campbell: They are stand-alone. You can read them in any order. I would suggest reading The Watchmaker and followed by Journey to Exile. But The Gold Miner is entirely stand-alone. It has nothing to do with the other two.

And in some ways there's some difference in style between them. 

[00:13:34] Mike Roth: Okay. And because your grandfather went back to England, that's why you were born in England.

[00:13:40] Christine Campbell: I suppose that's why. If he hadn't done that, I would've been a Californian. 

[00:13:43] Mike Roth: Okay. Are your books self-published?

[00:13:46] Christine Campbell: Yes. They are.

[00:13:47] Mike Roth: And are you happy about the number of copies that each book is sold? 

[00:13:51] Christine Campbell: Generally speaking, yes. Truthfully, I'm not a very good saleswoman for my books. But I'm happy with the sales I've made, and I think more than anything I write for myself. A lot of writers write and they're very happy when they sell the books, and I'm happy when I sell mine.

I won't deny that, but really, I frankly write for myself. I get a lot of pleasure out of writing. I get a lot of pleasure out of doing the research, and it transports me into a different world. It’s the best way I can describe it. Particularly during Covid, when not a whole lot was going on, it was just a great time to immerse myself, frankly, into a different culture.

And that's what I do when I write.

[00:14:35] Mike Roth: How long does it take you to write a book?

[00:14:37] Christine Campbell: From start to finish? About a year.

[00:14:39] Mike Roth: About a year? Yeah. And after you finish writing the manuscript, do you have an editor that you send it out to or do you have friends? How do you do that?

[00:14:47] Christine Campbell: I have some friends read it.

I'm actually a pretty good proofreader, I think. So I do a lot of that myself. I had worked years ago in the Pentagon and I'd worked at three star general level, and so I was used to proofreading things for their signature, so I'm pretty good at it. Grammar and spelling.

I guess that sounds conceited, but it's true.

But I do turn it over to Sea Hill Press in Leesburg to actually format it and put it together and do my front cover for me.

[00:15:17] Mike Roth: Yeah. And today you can use an AI to do all of that. Yes. Yeah. Probably more economically. What else have you done to promote your books?

[00:15:26] Christine Campbell: I'm always at the Book Expo every year in The Villages.

I make sure that all my friends and Facebook friends know about it. When I'm just generally around The Villages and I'm talking, like last night I went to a concert, got talking to a lady in front of me and passed out a couple of my cards because we happened to talk about writing.

She was a writer too, and so a lot of it happens that way. And there is going to be in September a book expo at Mount Dora and I'll be going there too.

[00:15:53] Mike Roth: How many book clubs are you a member of?

[00:15:56] Christine Campbell: Just two, Wine and Words and Writers League of The Villages. 

[00:15:58] Mike Roth: And what's the difference between the two?

[00:16:00] Christine Campbell: Writers League will give you general information about how to put a book together. That's the main group of people. There's several hundred people in it, aspiring writers, and some of them are, have published many books. So there's a lot of experience in it. Wine and Words is a totally different function.

It's run by Frank Lancione in The Villages, and basically what he does is he interviews the speaker and they get to talk about the book. He asks about their personal writing experience, what generated the book, that sort of thing. So it's a very casual atmosphere, say with Wine and Words. But it's a very pleasant one.

[00:16:36] Mike Roth: Yeah. I didn't see much wine there.

[00:16:38] Christine Campbell: You must have gone on the wrong night.

[00:16:39] Mike Roth: I must have, I was expecting a, almost like an open mixer with an open bar. People talking to one another and then with a couple of short talks, but everyone just sat at tables and listened to readings out of books.

[00:16:52] Christine Campbell: That and answer the questions. Some of the speakers are actually very good speakers and have written very well. 

[00:16:57] Mike Roth: Yeah. But there's two different arts, writing and speaking.

[00:17:00] Christine Campbell: That's true.

[00:17:01] Mike Roth: And you don't have to be a good speaker to be a good writer. How would you characterize the style that you're writing?

[00:17:07] Christine Campbell: I think the thing that I hear as feedback on my books mainly is that the research I've done has been very extensive and I've got passages in my books about astronomy, about sailing, about watchmaking, and they're in detail and this gives a truthfulness to the book and an interest. If you have an inquiring mind, you may actually learn something.

From my books, I've tended to be very accurate. For instance, my two protagonists in The Watchmaker, the church that they attend actually does still stand, and the minister who married them in my book was actually the minister of that church at the time that they got married. When Queen Victoria visited Edinburgh, when the railway station opened, the dates are correct. I feel that the history is good enough to stand on its own, so why create it? 

[00:18:07] Mike Roth: So when you were writing the book about the grandfather who was a gold miner, how did you learn about mining?

[00:18:15] Christine Campbell: There's a whole lot of information out these days on gold mining. And the internet provides me a tremendous lot of information.

I'm actually going to go in about a month's time to the mine where he worked, unfortunately I hadn't done it beforehand. It's called the Empire Mine and it's now a state park and you can go inside.

[00:18:34] Mike Roth: Is that in California? 

[00:18:35] Christine Campbell: Yes. 

[00:18:36] Mike Roth: Just

[00:18:36] Christine Campbell: outside of San Francisco, so I'm going to see it.

[00:18:39] Mike Roth: Have you ever panned for gold?

[00:18:41] Christine Campbell: Yes. I thought it was a rather worthless thing to do. Actually. I've done it in Colorado and I didn't come up with much.

[00:18:48] Mike Roth: Yeah I did it in Alaska and I think I did it in California.

And boy, was it cold in Alaska? 

[00:18:56] Christine Campbell: It wasn't cold in California, but I mean in Colorado. But it was still,

[00:19:00] Mike Roth: Backbreaking work. Not very successful.

[00:19:02] Christine Campbell: Yes it is. Yes. And it's very slow and tedious.

[00:19:05] Mike Roth: Yeah. So your great-grandfather came to America for the Gold Rush in 1849?

[00:19:11] Christine Campbell: No, he actually came later. He came in 1865. So that was already well on the way. And at that time, in fact, his mine that he was working for was taken over by a very large company.

Initially, they were individually owned. It was eventually taken over so he kind of missed the boat on it. I suspect what happened was partly his age at the time, but partly a lot of the Cornish men would come back, Cornish miners would go back to England to look for wives, because they still wanted to marry women from Cornwall. And they would come back and they'd tell these stories about how much gold that they had mined and how much money they were making. And I suspect that's what made him go out there. Although, in truth, I come from a family who travel a lot and so it's just it. It would not be unusual for me to picture one of my ancestors taking an adventure like that for the fun of it.

[00:20:06] Mike Roth: Your ancestor who got sent to Tasmania how long did he actually stay after the seven years sentence?

[00:20:14] Christine Campbell: That I don't know.  I think that most of them stayed because firstly it offered a better life for some of them. They actually went to New South Wales around Sydney. There was gold mining going on there in the 1853, so, shortly after my grandfather went there, and so a lot of them wanted to stay on, and in fact, the Australians got pretty unhappy because these new convicts who'd done their time would want to stay on, and they wanted to get to the gold that the Australian settlers were getting so transportation actually stopped in about 1853, so shortly after my grandfather went there, because the Australians said no more.

It's like the Americans said no more after Independence.

We used to send convicts from Britain to the United States, and once you became a country, you didn't want to see us anymore as convicts.

[00:21:07] Mike Roth: Yeah. Okay. It is sending people to Central America.

[00:21:10] Christine Campbell: Exactly.

[00:21:11] Mike Roth: With indeterminate sentences. Yes. You've been in America for over 20 years?

[00:21:17] Christine Campbell: I've been on and off for over 50 years, but I've lived other places. After we finished with Navy Life, we had some time off and traveled. We went into private dental practice in Texas, which we did for about five years, and my husband went on a mission trip to India, and when he came back, I told him how much it had cost him to do it. And he said I want to do this all the time. That took a little bit of mind adjustment on my part, but we ended up selling the practice and the first thing we did, we worked with the Episcopal church establishing a dental clinic in a place called San Pedro de Macoris, about 50 miles east of Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic, and that's still running now, but it's staffed by local dentists. 

So when that job was done, we were asked to go work with an orphanage program in Honduras, and we did that for about another six years, every winter. And then we drove our motor home down to Honduras twice because we could generate electricity when we got there and so we could fill teeth as opposed to take them out. So we did that for a number of years,and that was another time, I guess, we were out of the country for several years, for six months a year. And then latterly what I did for the last sort of foreign thing, I taught English at Donetsk Christian University in Ukraine for about 10 months over a two year time period back in about 1999.

[00:22:48] Mike Roth: What city in Ukraine was that?

[00:22:50] Christine Campbell: Sorry?

[00:22:51] Mike Roth: What city in Ukraine?

[00:22:52] Christine Campbell: Donetsk. It was part of what has become the People's Republic of Donetsk. It was taken over in 2014 and the university where I worked was taken over too. 

Mike Roth: So was that the Crimea ?

[00:23:07] Christine Campbell: It's fairly close to it. Yes. It's a few hours drive away, but it's actually only about 30 miles from the Russian border. So it made it an easy target for the Russians. 

[00:23:17] Mike Roth: Okay. And. if you were going to give some advice, okay, to a 21-year-old Christine based on what you know today, what advice would you give her?

[00:23:28] Christine Campbell: I would tell a 21-year-old to seek out the unusual, to seek out adventure, to not let concerns or worries or fears cloud what you want to do. So not to let fear define who you are, to just overcome whatever anxiety you might have or fear about doing something unknown and just go for it. Seize the day basically.

[00:23:55] Mike Roth: Good, good. And what's one life lesson that you've learned?

[00:23:59] Christine Campbell: I think that we are, whatever your religious standpoint is, mine is Christian, but I think that we are put on this earth to take care of each other. I think that is really the most important thing that we have to do. I think we have a personal responsibility for other people, and if we can make somebody else's life easier I think that's what we need to do.

[00:24:21] Mike Roth: Good. Good. And Christine, if someone wants to ask you a question about your books, how do they do that? 

[00:24:27] Christine Campbell: Okay. My email address is ChristineMorrisCampbell, as Campbell with a p in it. It often gets missed, @gmail.com.

[00:24:36] Mike Roth: Good. Anything else you'd like to add about your books?

[00:24:40] Christine Campbell: No, but I do hope that people might like to read them.

[00:24:44] Mike Roth: People here in The Villages, can they find them in Barnes and Noble?

 No, they have to go online from Amazon and get 'em, have to go

[00:24:50] Christine Campbell: online for Amazon. 

[00:24:51] Mike Roth: And these are soft cover books or hard cover?

[00:24:53] Christine Campbell: They're soft cover, but they're also on Kindle.

[00:24:56] Mike Roth: Oh, on Kindle. So

[00:24:57] Christine Campbell: They're paperback and they're all on Kindle as well.

[00:25:00] Mike Roth: Have you thought of, ever thought of putting them out as an audible book?

[00:25:02] Christine Campbell: I have, but I've dismissed the idea.

[00:25:05] Mike Roth: Because

[00:25:06] Christine Campbell: I think the return on investment isn't worth it.

[00:25:08] Mike Roth: People tell me that. Yeah. The reason I bring it up is because as it was pointed out to me, there are people who don't read here in The Villages.

Many seniors, they, their eyesight may be good enough for day-to-day work, but sitting continuously down and reading a book for four, eight hours might not be possible. 

[00:25:25] Christine Campbell: I may need to revisit the idea, Mike.

[00:25:27] Mike Roth: For me personally, I like books, but I don't like to sit down and read ‘em. And Mark's book, the devil's Bookkeeper.

Okay. I actually read the first volume. I found it to be very difficult to read and he said, oh, Mike, I got two more volumes. And I said, oh, Mark, don't give them to me because I'm not gonna read them. He said, don't worry. If you want, you can get them on Audible. And I bought the books on Audible and I found it to be astonishingly good.

[00:25:55] Christine Campbell: He's an astonishingly good writer. That's why.

[00:25:58] Mike Roth: He hired a fantastic actor to read his books. It was a one person read, the actor did at least three or four different voices, and it turned something that was very difficult for me to handle from just a physical reading perspective.

Nothing wrong with my eyes, but I didn't really want to take the time to read it that way. On the Audible, I could read it, driving my car from place to place, working out, walking in the neighborhood, I found it much more relaxing than actually reading it on paper. It was one of those type of books.

And there are other books that don't translate well to an Audible format. A book with lots of pictures or tables like Excel charts. They don’t translate well, but his works of fiction translated very well.

[00:26:53] Christine Campbell: I probably need to talk to him about it.

[00:26:56] Mike Roth: Yeah. He did it in a very economical way for the quality that he got, the quality he got was, A plus.

And he got it for a very reasonable cost. Good. Hey Christine, thanks again for being on the show with us today.

[00:27:09] Christine Campbell: You're very welcome.

Thank you very much. 

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