Living & Learning in The Villages - Comedian Jeanne Engle

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Exploring Lifelong Learning and Laughter with Jeanne Engle - Open Forum in The Villages

In this episode of the 'Open Forum in The Villages, Florida' podcast, host Mike Roth chats with Jeanne Engle, a vibrant member of The Villages community with diverse professional experience in human resources, training, fundraising, and writing. Jeanne shares her journey from Wisconsin to The Villages, describes her adventures in stand-up comedy, and talks about how she continues to learn new skills later in life. The episode highlights Jeanne's comedic endeavors and her involvement with the Improving Comedy Skills Club. Listeners are also treated to a special Alzheimer's tip from Dr. Craig Curtis. For enthusiasts interested in stand-up comedy, lifelong learning, and personal growth, this episode offers insight, humor, and inspiration.

00:00 Welcome to the Open Forum in The Villages

00:54 Support the Podcast: How You Can Help

01:59 Meet Jeanne Engle: A Noted Performer in The Villages

02:46 Jeanne's Journey: From Wisconsin to The Villages

04:03 Jeanne's Diverse Careers and Stand-Up Comedy

10:21 New Skills and Hobbies in The Villages

15:06 Advice for Thriving in Later Years of life

16:54 Improving Comedy Club: Join the Fun

20:42 Stand-Up Comedy Techniques and Tips

25:13 Bohemian Spotlight Café: A Hub for Talent

27:23 Conclusion and Upcoming Episodes

Transcript

Jeanne Engle

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[00:01:56] Mike Roth: This is Mike Roth on Open Forum in The Villages. I'm here today with Jeanne Engel, a noted performer and Genius here in The Villages. Jeannie, thanks for joining me. 

[00:02:07] Jeanne Engle: I'm glad to be here, Mike. Thank you for inviting me.

[00:02:09] Mike Roth: Jeannie, as a villager, is still having fun and learning. After three quarters of a century on this planet . Jeannie still has a lot to learn. With her diverse professional experience and background in human resources and management, fundraising.

and writing, Jeanne has found more ways to grow new skills and interests later in life. Listening to her story and hear how you too can keep learning and growing, or even renewing, in this chapter of your life. Jeanne, why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about your story.

more about yourself before you came to The Villages, or like where you grew up? 

[00:02:51] Jeanne Engle: Okay, I grew up in Wisconsin. It was more northwest Wisconsin, so we didn't watch the Packers because it was not aired in our market. I went to the University of Wisconsin in Madison. Some call it the Berkeley of the Midwest. It was a good It was a good time to be there during the anti war years. And sometimes they just threw out the grades. Lucky me. Then after that, I stayed and 

[00:03:20] Mike Roth: put them down on paper. 

[00:03:21] Jeanne Engle: No, you could choose your own grade. It was wonderful. And you could either go with the letter grade or you could just say, I wanted to take the course pass fail.

So I got all of these, I got all of these passes. Which was just wonderful in terms of a final grade point average, but that's neither here nor there. I stayed then in Madison for another 46 years, and I worked for many different organizations. I had a total of four careers while I was there and several jobs within each one of those careers, but I was always based in Madison or the general vicinity thereof. 

[00:04:03] Mike Roth: Four careers. Yes. I caught the one about human resources. We used to call it personnel. 

[00:04:08] Jeanne Engle: So did we. I'm old. 

[00:04:10] Mike Roth: Okay. What were the other three careers? 

[00:04:12] Jeanne Engle: After personnel, there was my Self employment years and I called myself a training and organization development specialist. 

[00:04:22] Mike Roth: Ah, that's when you got smart 

[00:04:24] Jeanne Engle: That's exactly right.

And After that my career was fundraising. And I was actually actually, we call sales in the not for profit world fundraising. And then after that, I did a little more self employment and, stuff in the gig economy, as the kids call it these days. And then finally landed the writing gig where I, Submit articles every other month for a magazine back where I came from in Madison, Wisconsin.

[00:04:56] Mike Roth: And how long have you been here in The Villages? 

[00:04:59] Jeanne Engle: We first came almost 10 years ago and then we drank the Kool Aid two years after that, bought on the historic side, stayed there for about three and a half years and moved now to the northern side of The Villages. 

[00:05:14] Mike Roth: Okay why did you try to get into stand up comedy?

Something you've never done before. 

[00:05:20] Jeanne Engle: Oh, I've been a performer all my life. I was thinking about why I am doing this. And I've been in front of groups, whether they're large or small, whether it was something that was scripted or something that I had to improvise. In front of the large group and being a trainer as I was, it's not a big step from training to enter trainment as the, as we called it.

 It's the same idea in terms of being in front of the group. And every now and then, if you can get them all laughing at the same time, you got them right. there in the palm of your hand and maybe they'll even learn something.

 I had taken a couple of improvisation workshops before when I was in my early 40s. And then after I got here, I saw that there was an open mic night. And I thought, okay, I'm going to try this, I'm going to do this, because this whole comedy thing is something that I've wanted to do for a while now.

But I didn't have the venue in terms of an open mic night. So I said, I'll do it, and I did it, and now I've been on that stage for more than 40 times. 

[00:06:38] Mike Roth: 40 performances 

[00:06:39] Jeanne Engle: at the bohemian spotlight cafe At the Paradise Rec Center the first Saturday Night of every month. 

[00:06:49] Mike Roth: How has your professional experience served you in the world of standup comedy? 

[00:06:54] Jeanne Engle: I'll tell you when you are in personnel, as we called it back then, you have contact with just about everybody in your organization.

Now, granted, I did not work for multi national. Huge hundreds of thousands of employees organizations, but I did work in all of them. in organizations I had between 500 and a thousand employees. And so because I was the first point of contact in many cases, I got to know all of these people and you learn about the quirks and foibles and the good stuff as well.

And so I had an opportunity to be observing so many different people throughout the course of my career. And so it's a matter of finding the you. The type that's representative of other people, like when I perform now here in The Villages, I come up with scenarios about old people 

[00:07:50] Mike Roth: and no kidding.

We have old people in The Villages. 

[00:07:53] Jeanne Engle: Yeah. Can you imagine that? 

[00:07:56] Mike Roth: Yeah, I've seen some hundred year old. I'm actually trying to get a podcast together with a survivor of D Day. 

[00:08:03] Jeanne Engle: He's 99 

[00:08:05] Mike Roth: years old. 

[00:08:06] Jeanne Engle: Oh, okay, good luck with that, good luck with that. 

[00:08:08] Mike Roth: They say he's sharp as a tack, and I say that's okay. 

[00:08:11] Jeanne Engle: Oh, yeah, that would be a wonderful story to hear. And then, as a trainer, of course, I was up in front of groups. And so the groups usually were smaller, but oftentimes there would be a presentation that I would have to make in front of a couple hundred people. So when we get a full house at the Bohemian Spotlight Cafe There's probably almost as many people as I have talked to in the past in one group 

[00:08:38] Mike Roth: How many people, Jeannie, actually show up at the Bohemian Spotlight Cafe? 

[00:08:43] Jeanne Engle: I think it's usually between 100 and 200.

[00:08:45] Mike Roth: Let's take a short break and listen to an Alzheimer's tip. From Dr. Craig Curtis. 

[00:08:54] Mike Roth: Dr. Curtis, what can someone do if they know that they have Alzheimer's that runs in their family? There's a lot that they can do. Published actually in the Journal of the American Medical Association in February of 2024, so this month, this was a study done primarily at Rush University in Chicago.

Looking at those with brain amyloid, so those people that already have amyloid, can a healthy lifestyle protect them from developing dementia? And the answer was yes, by following these five healthy habits that were tracked. And those where they did not smoke, They did moderate exercise for at least 150 minutes a week.

They kept their alcohol consumptive diet. And they used autopsies. They actually used approximately 530 autopsies to prove that those that followed those healthy lifestyle habits or had those healthy lifestyle habits. Actually had less amyloid. It correlated those had less amyloid in their brain. 

[00:09:55] Warren: With over 20 years of experience studying brain health, Dr. Curtis's goal is to educate the village's community on how to live a longer, healthier life. To learn more, visit his website, craig curtis md.com, or call 3 5 2 5 0 0 5 2 5 2 to attend a free seminar. 

[00:10:14] Mike Roth: \Thank you, Dr. Curtis. \

JeanGene. Have you developed any new skills here in The Villages that you find necessary to be a better stand up performer? 

[00:10:24] Jeanne Engle: I'm not sure about if it helps, but yeah, it does, because there's always something that you can say about the game. For example, I learned how to play Pétanque.

I call it bocce ball meets horseshoes meets shot put because you're using a steel ball about the size of a shot put that you toss at a smaller target ball like you would in bocce, but instead of rolling it like you do in bocce, you toss it like you would horseshoes. And the objective of the game is to get your closest to the target ball without other people getting in the way, like your other teammates.

The way that I talk about Pétanque. is that it's the only time you can openly admire a man's balls and the women have a pair too. 

[00:11:13] Mike Roth: As. Poor form to hit someone with your ball. 

[00:11:16] Jeanne Engle: Absolutely. It's not a good idea. So anyhow, I learned how to, I learned how to play petanque, which was really fun. And we met a lot of people because we would always get mixed up in terms of different teams and you would learn to you'd meet people and you'd learn about them.

And that was really, and that was really fun. And then I took a card making class, several, card making classes. These couple of women offered it. One was from Wisconsin and I would just go every other week and we would make these greeting cards. 

[00:11:46] Mike Roth: Oh, greeting cards. 

[00:11:47] Jeanne Engle: Greeting cards. Yeah. And I had dabbled in my own creations and now I've discovered another outfit that would provide the material that would For prettier cards.

And so when the pandemic came, I started ordering a lot of stuff and it was easy enough to be able to pick it up from the post office during that time, because, everything was no contact. And then I'm now into a group called fun with art. And I don't mean the guy who's at City Fire every Tuesday, actually.

[00:12:21] Mike Roth: Sounds like I came out of your standup routine. 

[00:12:24] Jeanne Engle: Do you think what we do there is bring whatever project that it, that is that we're working on. And it's more of a socializing time, which is really fun. And there's mostly a lot of women. And then sometimes every several weeks, there's a specific project that a person can make and basically.

We are what our name is. Fun with art. So I've gotten into a variety of So 

[00:12:50] Mike Roth: Art is the name of the guy at City Fire who plays the guitar? 

[00:12:53] Jeanne Engle: Yeah, I'm not sure if he plays guitar or not, but probably not because the guitar would get in the way when he was trying to, pick up women. And then the, oh, okay, we belong to the Tesla club here, which, so I've had to learn to drive a Tesla.

That's a new skill. Granted, it's been four years now since it's been in my garage. But I have to learn how to, I had to learn how to drive it and I'm just fine. So that's no accidents. A

[00:13:24] Mike Roth: Tesla is a computer with four wheels, 

[00:13:27] Jeanne Engle: right? And it beeps and buzzes at you when you are doing something wrong and you have no idea what it is that you're doing wrong.

[00:13:35] Mike Roth: Does yours open and close the doors and play happy birthday to you on your birthday? 

[00:13:39] Jeanne Engle: I'm not sure. I've never figured out all that toy box stuff. I have to leave that to the grand boys. 

[00:13:46] Mike Roth: Yeah, you need some good 13 year olds to 

[00:13:48] Jeanne Engle: Oh no. Eight, ten. The eight and 10 year olds they're good with it too.

They know how to do it. And then my latest thing is I got a ukulele from my wonderful partner, Rick for Christmas and I took ukulele lessons and now I need to play it in private before I can play it in public. 

[00:14:09] Mike Roth: It might be a good, Adjunct to your stand up comedy. 

[00:14:12] Jeanne Engle: That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking then I could incorporate that somehow but I'm not to the point where I can play the Chords hit the right strings and remember all of the chords and the words and all that at the same time I need more playing time.

[00:14:29] Mike Roth: Yeah, as it's a stand up routine, it doesn't actually have to be in tune. 

[00:14:32] Jeanne Engle: Yeah, that's it too, but there are, I've seen a good stand up comic who plays guitar or some stringed instrument. And she's good because she both can be funny and she can sing and play at the same time. Now I, that is not my aspiration.

[00:14:50] Mike Roth: Okay, I thought it was going to be ballet dancing and playing the guitar at the same 

[00:14:54] Jeanne Engle: time. There's probably some who do that, but it ain't gonna be me. 

[00:14:59] Mike Roth: Okay, no ballet. And

Jeanne, what kind of advice would you like to give to our listeners, fellow villagers, Potential villagers who want to thrive in their later years in life. 

[00:15:13] Jeanne Engle: First of all, I would say, ask yourself, what is something that you've always wanted to do, maybe since you were a kid or perhaps later on in life? Was there something that you were passionate about at one point in your life?

Sometimes what happens is we give up passion for a job and then we have to really dig to find out. What that passion was and how we can reconnect with it. So that would be one thing I would suggest that people do. And then another thing would be to, were there certain skills that you acquired during your professional working life that you would still like to use now in retirement?

I know that there are people who say, Oh God, I would never do that again. For example, I would never do personnel again. But. The socialization, that's fine, there's a part of it that's okay. But there are certain things that I've done that I would do again probably fundraising, because I'm not afraid to ask people for money, probably, Teaching like a class or something, but I've done that.

I've facilitated a couple of the art groups that, that gathered for fun for art. So I've used a skill that I liked and that I still like. So think about that. Are there things that you've done and skills that you've learned or knowledge that you've acquired that you would like to use again in your retirement years?

And then finally. for the men in our audience. What does your wife tell you to do? Get out of the house! 

[00:16:48] Mike Roth: I like that one. Jeannie, let's spend the last few minutes of this podcast talking about your involvement with the Improving Comedy Club here in The Villages. And let's talk a little bit about why people should come down to learn how to do a little bit of stand up or scripted comedy.

Maybe that's the first piece of understanding people have to have is that stand up is scripted comedy. 

[00:17:12] Jeanne Engle: Yes. Yes. That's a good, that's a good point, Mike, in terms of I don't know, maybe we need to go back to some of the basics as far as comedy is concerned and what I had been thinking about and spoke with Rebecca, who is the, Rebecca Zelenin, who is the 

[00:17:30] Mike Roth: leader, the 

[00:17:30] Jeanne Engle: founder of, or the Take her over of this particular group.

It's been through this is a second iteration anyhow that I know of, that I know of. So I think people going back to basics, like recognizing that, yeah, we're going to work on standup. in this particular group. We might do some other stuff. Maybe we'll do a little improv or a little sketch. But what we're trying to help people do is to be better, or do it, period, be stand up comedians.

And it's not like you have to think about, oh, I gotta have an hour's worth of material. It's five minutes to begin with. Three, maybe. Be able to tell two jokes consistently or a short quick story or something. Anyhow, I think it's important to think about who our favorite comics are. Who are the people that we like to watch and listen to?

And then why is it that, what is it that they do? Why do we like them? What is it that they do? Do they have good timing? Do they have good facial expressions? Do they have good timing? All of the non verbal kind of stuff. And so that we physicality, yeah, the physicality and if they move or don't or whatever.

And so trying to identify the kinds of things that you'd like, because that's the kind of stuff you want to be able to do. 

I I know. Oh, okay. This is being pretty presumptuous. 

I think another question that people can answer is what skills do you think are needed to be a good comedian? based on maybe what you've seen or what you know, what you like, that kind of thing.

And so then look at those skills. Do you have those skills? Maybe you've. Use those skills in some other way in your professional life, and they can be transferred 

[00:19:10] Mike Roth: Oh, remembering is important. Remembering what you want to say. 

[00:19:14] Jeanne Engle: Yeah, it's a good thing. It's a good thing to be able to memorize and there are a lot of tricks for doing that And that's you know, that's another story 

[00:19:23] Mike Roth: but you can't mumble.

[00:19:24] Jeanne Engle: Oh, No, 

[00:19:25] Mike Roth: the audience has to be able to hear what you're actually saying. 

[00:19:28] Jeanne Engle: They have to have their hearing aids turned up 

[00:19:30] Mike Roth: That's true, or they can't leave them at home. 

[00:19:33] Jeanne Engle: Exactly. And then finally I wanted to know, just in general, what kind of questions people have about stand up comedy. And whatever they have, maybe they want to know about using props, maybe they want to know about how much physicality, maybe they want to know about Characters, are they a character or are they real?

Those kinds of questions. So I would be interested in hearing what people would have to 

[00:19:59] Mike Roth: ask. That would be something that people can bring with them, those questions to the Improving Comedy meetings, which happen the second and fourth Friday of the month at the Bacall Rec Center. 

[00:20:11] Jeanne Engle: From 7 to 9 p. m.

Maybe right yeah Friday night. Hey, what else you got to do on a Friday night? Come and have a few laughs. 

[00:20:19] Mike Roth: Yeah, I'll learn how to make other people laugh 

[00:20:21] Jeanne Engle: exactly because laughter is good for the soul 

[00:20:24] Mike Roth: Let's talk a couple of minutes about some stand up learning techniques that people can have because at those meetings we usually give out a little notebook and we ask people to write a about an incident that happened in their life that has a comical twist to it or a possible comical twist.

And then we ask people to read those aloud and then we punch them up. 

[00:20:51] Jeanne Engle: I think one of the techniques of being able to punch something up is something called reframing. Or, in other words, putting a twist on something. And sometimes the reframe comes real easy. The twist is obvious, and other times you have to think about it a bit.

So we need to have twisted minds. 

[00:21:15] Mike Roth: Sure. Like we did before we started. I asked you, what kind of car did you learn how to drive on? And you said it was a 

[00:21:22] Jeanne Engle: Ford. Blue. 

[00:21:24] Mike Roth: And, what kind of transmission did it have? 

[00:21:26] Jeanne Engle: I learned how to drive on a stick. 

[00:21:28] Mike Roth: And I said, Gee, that's much better than a broom. 

[00:21:32] Jeanne Engle: Ah, but so many people out there would say to me, genie.

You really should be on your broomstick. 

[00:21:40] Mike Roth: Okay. And I'm going to give our listeners a little tip that I think all of the great stand ups have, is they bring the beginning of the routine back to the end, or the end brings the beginning back. They make it, I'm going to call it, full circle. In some way, at the end, In the last 60 seconds, they refresh and go back to the beginning, which is a kind of similar technique that we use in improv called reach back, where you take stuff that happened at the beginning and you use it in some of the routines.

It makes people feel good. Because they remember the beginning, and then you refresh them with a joke or a punchline at the end that remembers the beginning. 

[00:22:24] Jeanne Engle: Of course

[00:22:25] Mike Roth: that's right. It's funny you said, remember I'm a member of the Magic Club. And, I've learned more than a few card tricks. And one of the things that I didn't learn in the club, but I learned when I was performing it in a public setting, was always ask the person who picks a card to write the card Name and suit down on a slip of paper, because they forget.

I can pull the right card out of the deck, but they won't recognize it. That early Alzheimer's thing really hurts short term memory. 

[00:22:56] Jeanne Engle: There's, may I adapt that line of yours please? Sure. Okay, good. That's another thing that successful stand ups have, are writers. Except for when they do their one hour Netflix specials, they're only written by that one person.

[00:23:10] Mike Roth: Really? 

[00:23:10] Jeanne Engle: Oh, have you ever not watched the credits? 

[00:23:14] Mike Roth: Oh I know, I've watched the credits. I've watched the credits. But you're asking me do I believe the credits, and my answer is no. This is a Hollywood production, and there might be twelve people behind the scenes. Only one or two may get credit.

For a long time, it took me a lot of time to believe that Saturday Night actually had writers, chief writers. 

[00:23:35] Jeanne Engle: I'll tell you what, Mike. When I make my Netflix one hour comedy special, there will be a special line just for you. 

[00:23:44] Mike Roth: Okay. A special line 

[00:23:45] Jeanne Engle: Inside the credits. 

[00:23:47] Mike Roth: Inside the credits. Okay.

I'll be looking for that. Okay. I'm actually going to have to wait up and stay alive long enough to make sure that I see it. 

[00:23:54] Jeanne Engle: Yeah, and I'm going to have to stay alive to make sure I can film it. 

[00:23:58] Mike Roth: Sure. You won't actually be doing the filming. They'll have a cameraman or two. 

[00:24:02] Jeanne Engle: You're right. That's 

[00:24:03] Mike Roth: right.

If necessary, I'll wheel you out on stage in a wheelchair. Make sure you do your routine. That might be a funny way to start. Start the routine and get wheeled out in a wheelchair. Get into a walker and then throw the walker away during the routine. 

[00:24:17] Jeanne Engle: Oh, I see. I'm not a real physical comedian. A comic, what is, there's, what's the difference between a comedian and a comic?

A comic stands up and does funny lines, whereas a comedian can do funny lines in another place like a film or TV series. 

[00:24:35] Mike Roth: Or take a pie in the 

[00:24:36] Jeanne Engle: face. Yeah, that's a line directly from my hand to your face. 

[00:24:41] Mike Roth: Yes, that does happen in comedy. All right. Jeannie? 

If our listeners want to find out more about the Bohemian Spotlight Café, how do they do that? 

[00:24:51] Jeanne Engle: The Bohemian Spotlight Café does have a Facebook page. You can go there, look under Bohemian Spotlight Café, ask to join. We have this wonderful videographer, I guess that's what she is, who takes Videos of the acts, many of the months, and then she posts them on the site, so you can get a sense of what kind of entertainment you would find at the Bohemian Spotlight Cafe.

[00:25:22] Mike Roth: It really is quite varied. 

[00:25:24] Jeanne Engle: Oh, very much 

[00:25:25] Mike Roth: tell others the kind of acts that are there. 

[00:25:29] Jeanne Engle: Some people sing with their own accompaniment. Some people accompany themselves with guitar, with piano. Some people just play piano. Some people do karaoke where they see the words and the music is playing in the background.

Some people do silly skits. Some people do stuff that somebody else has written. Some people do original stuff. And then there's people who, like me, actually, I'm the only one, who do, no, that's not true, there are some other people that do comedy but, 

[00:26:01] Mike Roth: There are some other people that do comedy.

[00:26:02] Jeanne Engle: There are some other people that do comedy, but I've probably been doing it the longest. 

[00:26:07] Mike Roth: Okay. Any animal acts? 

[00:26:09] Jeanne Engle: No. 

[00:26:10] Mike Roth: People don't bring out their dogs to do tricks? 

[00:26:13] Jeanne Engle: There might have been. Oh no, I don't think so. I can't remember if I've ever seen an animal on stage. 

[00:26:18] Mike Roth: Yeah, okay. That would probably be against the rules because you can't bring a dog into a rec center unless he's a service support animal with a certificate.

[00:26:29] Jeanne Engle: Oh, okay. 

[00:26:30] Mike Roth: Good. Jeannie, thanks for being with us today. 

[00:26:33] Jeanne Engle: It was a pleasure, Mike. Thank you again for inviting me and I hope that this sounds good. 

[00:26:40] Mike Roth: Okay. And if you want to join us for the, and meet Jeannie in person at the Improving Comedy Workshops meetings, those are the 2nd and 4th Fridays, 7 to 9 PM at the Bacall Recreation Center.

Thanks again, Jeannie. 

[00:26:53] Jeanne Engle: You're 

[00:26:54] Mike Roth: welcome. 

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